I myself will probably go by the first option, but I can see an argument for either way, and it is just odd that metamagic rods were a part of the original question, and left out of the faq (presumably) on purpose. 1, that metamagic rods are included in this ruling, under the "in general" clause, or 2, they are left out of a general ruling because they specifically say "spells of 3rd level or lower" (lesser rods) It was part of the original question, and then left out of the FAQ response. I wish they had just included, or mentioned metamagic rods in that post. Pathfinder Design Team, 10/18/13And while it doesn't specifically mention Metamagic Rods, the intent seems clear and the bolded text would appear to be a catch all anyway. Heighten Spell is really the only metamagic feat that makes using a higher-level spell slot an advantage instead of a disadvantage. The advantages of the metamagic feat are spelled out in the Benefits section of the feat, and the increased spell slot level is a disadvantage. In general, use the (normal, lower) spell level or the (higher) spell slot level, whichever is more of a disadvantage for the caster. The spell counts as the level of the spell slot necessary to cast it.įor example, an empowered burning hands uses a 3rd-level spell slot, counts as a 3rd-level spell for making concentration checks, counts as a 3rd-level spell for a magus's spell recall or a pearl of power. In the absence of any ruling otherwise and with both traits officially approved, I think you are in the clear.Metamagic: At what spell level does the spell count for concentration DCs, magus spell recall, or a pearl of power? Other examples I've found of this combination seem similarly gimmicky and not really game-breaking.
#WAYANG SPELLHUNTER MAGICAL LINEAGE RULING PLUS#
Casting an intensified Fireball at 2nd level would be alright, I guess, but only useful once you are over level 10, and again, spending a pair of talents plus a feat (and not an especially useful feat in general) to buff just that one spell and not even get a payoff till level 11 is not really a threat to game balance. Sure, you could sling Magic Missiles all day long, but you've spent all that to spam one not especially powerful spell. Now you are in the hole two traits and a feat just to get this setup. 3 (Magus 1) Spell Combat, Arcane Pool Feat: Power Attack. In both cases, you are limited to a specific spell, and both are contingent on using a metamagic feat, which you have to spend feats on. Traits: Magical Lineage (Frostbite), Wayang Spellhunter (Frigid Touch) 1 (Witch 1) (White Haired Witch archetype) Feats: Rime Spell, Combat Reflexes (King Crab familiar, Strength or Wisdom Patron) 2 (Witch 2) - Constrict. Both Magical Lineage and Wayang Spellhunter have the stamp of approval (hover over the round icon to the left of the trait name and it reads "PFS Legal").įurthermore, I'm reasonably confident this combination isn't the threat it seems. This is significant damage for a now first level spell. Its your bread and butter spell and suddenly it goes from being capped at 5 dice to 10. As mentioned, the Archives of Nethys are Paizo's official SRD, and on the site it notes which traits are PFS approved. Magical Lineage is good for magus for one reason, intensified shocking grasp. There is an entry in the FAQ about Magical Lineage, and it says the trait cannot reduce a spell below its original level. In a few different places I found people saying it was permitted for them in PFS, or that Paizo had an official ruling stating it was allowed, but no link or anything so I can't be sure. Archives of Nethys are now the official Paizo srd, and is permitted to use Golarion-specific names and information.
The d20pfsrd had it listed as Metamagic Master because they were asked to remove anything specific to the Golarion setting from the site, so they renamed Wayang Spellhunter to Metamagic Master. Its called Wayang Spellhunter in Pathfinder material. Its important to note that the trait "Metamagic Master" does not exist anywhere in Pathfinder material.
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